The Bell Tolls for the FBI

[Jackpine Savage]

I ran across this on Powerline. Matt Taibbi wrote an article reviewing the whole 'Russia Gate' bull **** and explaining why the FBI needs a deep cleaning. His article is behind a pay wall, but he narrated the article on Youtube.

I think it should be required listening for Marky, and Lumpy. I think it would go over RanB's head.

An excerpt from the article:

After everything that’s taken place, it’s unsafe for Trump to do anything but bonfire the whole FBI leadership structure, including probably the entire National Security and Counterintelligence Divisions, for starters. Control over the FBI is the critical test of how real any coming changes will be. In the last eight-plus years, the Bureau went beyond the excesses of the J. Edgar Hoover era, attempting to install itself as a KGB-like domestic intelligence service with gatekeeping power over everything from the White House to the speech landscape. Forget Trump: we are not safe unless its bureaucracy is fully dismantled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWAYOuw-fEk

[Lumpy]

What did I ever say here in favor of the FBI?

[Jackpine Savage]

I'm pretty sure that you recently referred to Trump as Putin's stooge. Which likely means that you still believe the Russia gate hoax.

[Lumpy]

I'm pretty sure that you recently referred to Trump as Putin's stooge. Which likely means that you still believe the Russia gate hoax.

Okay, I did say:

I would feel terribly sorry for the Ukrainians however, with tankie Trump serving as Putin's stooge.

It does seem pretty undeniable that Trump isn't a particular defender of Ukraine. His "peace" plan is very likely to turn out to be "surrender the parts of Ukraine the Russians have seized; then take their word for it they won't try again after a respite". Simply because so many people hate the Bidens so much, they're willing to see Ukraine thrown under the bus. Regardless of what you think of Ukraine's government and their dealings with the Bidens, Russia and Putin are pursuing a goal of naked conquest, with such feeble excuses as "nazi" Ukrainians and "persecution" of (pro-secessionist remerge with Russia) ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Frankly only people willing to buy the Kremlin's propaganda hook line and sinker believe this.

[IvanTheTerribleShot]

His "peace" plan is very likely to turn out to be "surrender the parts of Ukraine the Russians have seized; then take their word for it they won't try again after a respite".

I am sorry to do go off topic, but freezing conflict is not something anyone in Russia is remotely interested in, definitely not Mr. Putin. They already had been had being deceived, twice, with Minsk accords - for which Pres. Putin has been called all kind of names at home. It's another piece of neocon propaganda you uncritically swallowed: Trump is not Putin's stooge, not in this regard at least.

Persecution of anything remotely pro-Russian is very real. I am particularly concerned about persecution of Ukrainian Orthodox Church, bishops and priest being jailed and churches taken over; that despite of most bishops bending over backwards to please the Ukrainian authorities. The Church itself was recently (August 20, 2024) banned by the Ukrainian parliament, law# 3894-IX.

[Jackpine Savage]

It does seem pretty undeniable that Trump isn't a particular defender of Ukraine. His "peace" plan is very likely to turn out to be "surrender the parts of Ukraine the Russians have seized; then take their word for it they won't try again after a respite". Simply because so many people hate the Bidens so much, they're willing to see Ukraine thrown under the bus. Regardless of what you think of Ukraine's government and their dealings with the Bidens, Russia and Putin are pursuing a goal of naked conquest, with such feeble excuses as "nazi" Ukrainians and "persecution" of (pro-secessionist remerge with Russia) ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Frankly only people willing to buy the Kremlin's propaganda hook line and sinker believe this.

I've been critical of Russia and Putin on this site. I am still critical of their general thuggery in Georgia, threatening the Baltics, and general mischief in the world. Putin in his own words thinks it's his life mission to oppose United States hegemony. It's too bad, because it would be better to have them on our side rather than China's.

At the same time, as I learn more, I do think we provoked this war. Crimea was part of Russia for quite awhile, until 1954 when they gifted it to Ukraine. We installed Zelenskyy, then forbade him from negotiating with Putin. I think the war was avoidable.

The feckless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ended. I guess the Military Industrial Complex decided more money needed to be made. But it appears that their plan was short sighted yet again. Ukraine is running out of bodies. Do you think we should send troops? Are you ready to go fight?

[Jackpine Savage]

Joe Rogan had Mike Benz on a few days ago. It is worth a listen.

Mike Benz posted this follow up on X. He talks about the 'red line' memo that Zelenskyy received after his election that tells him what he can and can't do.

https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1866662538580001120

[Ranb]

I ran across this on Powerline. Matt Taibbi wrote an article reviewing the whole 'Russia Gate' bull **** and explaining why the FBI needs a deep cleaning. His article is behind a pay wall, but he narrated the article on Youtube.

I think it should be required listening for Marky, and Lumpy. I think it would go over RanB's head.

Trump is unlikely to do anything about the FBI, other than cripple it and make it harder for them to do their job. Was Taibbi in another vicodin haze when he wrote this article? Trump is the ***** that Putin grabs America by. This is worse than a stooge.

Can you provide a rational explanation as to why this article would go over my head?

[Jackpine Savage]

Trump is unlikely to do anything about the FBI, other than cripple it and make it harder for them to do their job. Was Taibbi in another vicodin haze when he wrote this article? Trump is the ***** that Putin grabs America by. This is worse than a stooge.

Can provide a rational explanation as to why this article would go over my head?

Because you can't see anything other than 'orange man bad'. Which you just demonstrated in your post.

[Ranb]

It's not really peace then the aggressor is still in your country. But that is something that Trump will encourage, then brag about how he stopped the war. I wonder how much of Alaska that Trump would give up when Putin decides he wants more oil?

The Ukraine government has taken action against the Orthodox Church as it is seen as an arm of Russia interfering in their country. Does anyone recall that Krushchev once bragged that he would show the last priest on TV in 1961? Russia is not the bastion of religious freedom that some people would claim it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_o ... _in_Russia

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-ban-or ... ow-1942301
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-parl ... 3b8ec53505

[Ranb]

Because you can't see anything other than 'orange man bad'. Which you just demonstrated in your post.

Just as I thought, you have nothing to bring to this forum except for the thoughts of others and when asked to explain anything, you resort to evasion.

[Jackpine Savage]

Because you can't see anything other than 'orange man bad'. Which you just demonstrated in your post.

Just as I thought, you have nothing to bring to this forum except for the thoughts of others and when asked to explain anything, you resort to evasion.

Feel free to ignore me

[Ranb]

Feel free to ignore me

Ignoring you is almost as bad as agreeing with the insane things you say on this forum.

[crbutler]

I still feel the rank and file FBI agents are mostly apolitical and care about the job.

The guys in the centralized parts I have less faith in… certainly the last 16 years or so the FBI has been involved in some politically motivated investigations. I have no faith in the leadership in the Hoover building.

Frankly, I don’t see Trump improving that, he wants revenge more than righting the ship… but that doesn’t discount that since Fast &Furious and Benghazi the FBI has been blowing whichever way politics are going. Heck, you could argue since Regan left office it has been that way.