Vests?

[farmerj]

The army might charge the soldier, but when you sign that receipt you also sign the nice statement that the army retains ownership of said lost property should it ever be found.

I liked it sou much I couldn't give it up fast enough when they came for it.

[Pinnacle]

... dont buy surplus (because that is STOLEN US ARMY PROPERTY) There are no Surplus ESAPI Plates... PERIOD.

While it's technically true the US military doesn't sell surplus plates, you can buy new and used ESAPI plates legally that are not stolen. The Army also charges soldiers for lost body armor so it's not exactly like they can cry too hard about re-sale.

You could and should have just stopped right there. But as normal you couldn't resist now could you? While it is "Technically True"? - IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE

WHY would you buy a USED plate? You dont know the pedigree of a plate, construction, treatment, threat level, or much of anything else once it has been in circulation. Ceramics CRACK, delaminate, deteriorate, and are incredibly uncomfortable. What the HELL do you need plates for? You arent going to wear them, and if you feel the need, you are in a place where you dont need to be. If a LEO saw you wearing an OTV in Public, you are going to get mroe attention that I think that you want - take that for what it is worth. (Now I suppose that Gyr will fly off into a rant pouting "he was mean to me" well pally, you simply dont know what you dont know, and you are leading people down a path that is not a good one to follow. I am going after your lack of logic here..)

There are/were a lot of ESAPI plates out there on Ebay that are marked PROPERTY OF U.S. - and there are NO COMMERCIAL ESAPI PLATES SOLD if it is marketed and sold that way, it Aint a US Army Issue E-SAPI - that is a military requirement only and not and NIJ Rated Item..FURTHERMORE - the threat that the E-SAPI Defeats is CLASSIFIED - period - so you are going to have a sensitive piece of SME on your hands with NO COMMERCIAL VALUE. (Just a quick Note, sellers of E-SAPI / US PROPERTY Marked plates for sale on EBAY HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED in the past, cant vouch for now, but a few years ago there was a big industry wide kerfuffle.....)

E-SAPI is a broad Term - ENHANCED is the Military Adder and SMALL ARMS PROTECTIVE INSERT is the base statement or identifier.

[gunforhire]

I am going to go on a limb and say that having a couple Interceptors in a vaccum sealed bag ain't a bad idea. Mine were lost in a boating accident

[Pinnacle]

The army might charge the soldier, but when you sign that receipt you also sign the nice statement that the army retains ownership of said lost property should it ever be found.

I liked it sou much I couldn't give it up fast enough when they came for it.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

US Property MEANS US PROPERTY FOR LIFE.

That is sensitive military technology and not a COMMERCIAL ITEM, the threat informaiton is not to be stated.

[gyrfalcon]

You could and should have just stopped right there. But as normal you couldn't resist now could you? While it is "Technically True"? - IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE

Apparently when a plate manufacturer puts a different label on their product you no longer consider it SAPI, XSAPI, ESAPI, even though it's identical to the plates sold to the military.... Gotcha.

WHY would you buy a USED plate? You dont know the pedigree of a plate, construction, treatment, threat level, or much of anything else once it has been in circulation. Ceramics CRACK, delaminate, deteriorate, and are incredibly uncomfortable. What the HELL do you need plates for? You arent going to wear them, and if you feel the need, you are in a place where you dont need to be. If a LEO saw you wearing an OTV in Public, you are going to get mroe attention that I think that you want - take that for what it is worth. (Now I suppose that Gyr will fly off into a rant pouting "he was mean to me" well pally, you simply dont know what you dont know, and you are leading people down a path that is not a good one to follow. I am going after your lack of logic here..)

I would buy a used plate just to upset you, or because it was cheap. I've bought plenty of used things including firearms, cars, tools and clothing. An armored plate isn't a toothbrush. What I need it for or want to do with it is my own business.

The army might charge the soldier, but when you sign that receipt you also sign the nice statement that the army retains ownership of said lost property should it ever be found.

That depends on the form they use, if any... In the case of a DD326 that's true.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
US Property MEANS US PROPERTY FOR LIFE.
That is sensitive military technology and not a COMMERCIAL ITEM, the threat informaiton is not to be stated.

You better go tell all the people who buy US Property at auction this. They need someone like you who's in the know to assist them so they don't go "down a path that is not a good one to follow".

[Pinnacle]

Dude, you just don't get it. Commercial plates are not military standard they are not the same.

You buy used, you take your chances.

And well, good luck to you with your career in the armor and Survivability industry. It appears you have a bright future.

[Norsesmithy]

I would buy a used plate just to upset you, or because it was cheap. I've bought plenty of used things including firearms, cars, tools and clothing. An armored plate isn't a toothbrush. What I need it for or want to do with it is my own business.

You better go tell all the people who buy US Property at auction this. They need someone like you who's in the know to assist them so they don't go "down a path that is not a good one to follow".

Used Boron Carbide plates are not a bargain at any price, their effectiveness can be severely compromised by being dropped. they are not strong in all directions, and short of Xraying them, there's often no way to tell if they've been damaged. With a used plate, you don't know it's history, and that's not a smart idea.

Now, some of the other types of plate, like the steel alloy ones aren't so easily damaged, and are perhaps more trustworthy second hand, but they aren't "SAPI or ESAPI".

And there's a difference between an Ebay sale of unknown providence and a Government Surplus auction. The DOD doesn't surplus their Boron Carbide plates, because of the liability risk due to handling damage etc.

Dude, you just don't get it. Commercial plates are not military standard they are not the same.

Not quite true, Protective Products Inc, among other contract sources for ESAPI plates are selling REAL plates, with the same part numbers as the ones that are sold to the DOD, through several retailers, online and otherwise. You CAN buy real ESAPI plates. This isn't 2007, where the whole production is being bought by the DOD.

[Pinnacle]

You are pretty much right on. ESAPI would not be my choice in plates.

[Squib Joe]

Going back to the original post - Bill's now has the US Palm vests in stock

[SleepingJake]

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/bansheerifleplatecarrier.aspx

[SleepingJake]

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/bansheerifleplatecarrier.aspx

I've got that in ATACS pattern, it's hard to write a review off memory so I wont try but it's extremely adjustable and comfortable (for a 5'10" slim frame like myself). I "acquired" some esapi plates for mine and it holds them quite comfortably. I was looking for a plate carrier that didn't have a lot of bulk and wasn't uncomfortable (like an IOTV) and what I bought was just the trick. If I were a LEO I definitely wouldn't feel worn out if it were something that I wore every day.

[farmerj]

Sure hope you got the full system. Otheerwise you got junk bud.

[Consummate]

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/bansheerifleplatecarrier.aspx

I've got that in ATACS pattern, it's hard to write a review off memory so I wont try but it's extremely adjustable and comfortable (for a 5'10" slim frame like myself). I "acquired" some esapi plates for mine and it holds them quite comfortably. I was looking for a plate carrier that didn't have a lot of bulk and wasn't uncomfortable (like an IOTV) and what I bought was just the trick. If I were a LEO I definitely wouldn't feel worn out if it were something that I wore every day.

Hopefully the plates you acquired are standalone rated...

[farmerj]

I'll just add this to the current topic at hand.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... vests.html

Phoenix police will replace an unknown number of ballistic vests after an independent laboratory found the Kevlar vests failed to stop a bullet fired from a .44-caliber handgun.

[SleepingJake]

http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/bansheerifleplatecarrier.aspx

I've got that in ATACS pattern, it's hard to write a review off memory so I wont try but it's extremely adjustable and comfortable (for a 5'10" slim frame like myself). I "acquired" some esapi plates for mine and it holds them quite comfortably. I was looking for a plate carrier that didn't have a lot of bulk and wasn't uncomfortable (like an IOTV) and what I bought was just the trick. If I were a LEO I definitely wouldn't feel worn out if it were something that I wore every day.

Hopefully the plates you acquired are standalone rated...

They're rated for 30-06 AP, I'm not sure if they're with our without the kevlar backing, I'll have to check. Though I don't feel like I'm ever going to be in a holly-wood shootout anytime soon. Even if it did happen I doubt the bad dude is going to be running around with anything larger than a 30-06 taking quick, accurate shots.