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Another one!

Postby Molasses on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:19 pm

Sorry for the lack of quality w. the pics, was in a hurry to show off before the new wore off. :booyah:
Was figuring the odds were good that this would arrive at my transferring dealer's today, called, it was in, made a run straight up there on the bike after work and rode home with it swaddled in multiple cases and the whole bemummied package bungeed onto the Valk.

An Austrian redhead to match the blonde:
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Another .30-06, but shorter and w. the eponymous stock, single trigger on this one (maybe not a bad thing, as I think of the carbine as being more of a brush gun and who needs complicated options when in the brush?
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You could almost think I have a thing for these things... :cheerleader2:
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Re: Another one!

Postby infidel on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:25 pm

Looks like a beautiful pair. Please forgive my naiveté but I would like to know more about these rifles. Especially the carbine. Thanks :geek:
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Re: Another one!

Postby Belgiboy on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:27 pm

Both are absolutely stunning rifles, so don't go scratching these up in the brush :) What glass are these wearing?
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Re: Another one!

Postby Molasses on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:40 pm

They're Mannlicher Schoenauers, made by Steyr. These two are both '50s vintage.

The rifle's wearing an old Lyman All-American 4X w. post reticle and I just threw an old Weaver K-3 I had laying around on the carbine for the pics. Unfortunately, the K-3 has the skinny crosshair reticle, but it's a start. I like to try and keep the scopes to something resembling the same vintage as the rifles, although the obvious thing to do for these, putting on European glass from that timeframe is...$$$
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Re: Another one!

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:41 pm

Very nice. Smooth actions on them I am sure.
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Re: Another one!

Postby Belgiboy on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:45 pm

I like it that the scopes are correct vintage. Since the caliber is quintessentially American, they were probably built for the American market and don't really need European glass but it's a nice touch anyway. Congratulations and thanks for sharing.
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Re: Another one!

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:56 pm

Belgiboy wrote:I like it that the scopes are correct vintage. Since the caliber is quintessentially American, they were probably built for the American market and don't really need European glass but it's a nice touch anyway. Congratulations and thanks for sharing.


I respectfully disagree. :D Nothing like Nice vintage Europeen glass on a Mannlicher. Just something so ..... I do not know the word but I am thinking country nobles hunting a red stag in the Alps wearing their oil skins and tweeds. Bavarian, that is the word... :)
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Re: Another one!

Postby infidel on Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:06 pm

Looks like another to add to my list. I am a poor boy but I think that would be a nice upgrade from my .303. Some day I will be looking at a bolt in .308 or 30-06. How is the double trigger used?
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Re: Another one!

Postby Belgiboy on Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:23 pm

infidel wrote:Looks like another to add to my list. I am a poor boy but I think that would be a nice upgrade from my .303. Some day I will be looking at a bolt in .308 or 30-06. How is the double trigger used?

Do not belittle the .303, I wouldn't want to pay a buck for every lion killed with that caliber. It's a really smart choice for a poor boy IMHO
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Re: Another one!

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:26 pm

Belgiboy wrote:
infidel wrote:Looks like another to add to my list. I am a poor boy but I think that would be a nice upgrade from my .303. Some day I will be looking at a bolt in .308 or 30-06. How is the double trigger used?

Do not belittle the .303, I wouldn't want to pay a buck for every lion killed with that caliber. It's a really smart choice for a poor boy IMHO


Love the .303. Worked well for my grandfather for 70 years or so, deer, elk, and a coyote or two...
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Re: Another one!

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:29 pm

infidel wrote:Looks like another to add to my list. I am a poor boy but I think that would be a nice upgrade from my .303. Some day I will be looking at a bolt in .308 or 30-06. How is the double trigger used?

One trigger (I want to say it is the back on a mannilcher) is a set trigger. If you just squeeze the main trigger it works like any normal trigger. if you first pull the set trigger then the trigger pull on the main trigger is something like 2 pounds maybe a bit less.
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Re: Another one!

Postby Molasses on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:03 am

Made a range trip late yesterday afternoon. Took the new one along and tried it out. Shot up a box apiece of a couple of different loads and had several 3 shot groups right around 1" at 100, along with some others that weren't quite so pretty. One or two groups where I screwed up that were just plain ugly. Ended well: last two rounds I had along hit a (I want to say 16") steel gong they have hung out at 400 yds. Took a camera with to get better pics in good light, but somebody :oops: played with the camera settings and they all ended up in some sort of sepia tint. Here's one anyhow:
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As for information on the carbine, I'm not sure what to say. It's a Mannlicher Schoenauer; Steyr changed the action back at the beginning of the '60s and did away with the Schoenauer part of the name. They'd been using the old design clear back to the turn of the century and the old, prewar ones are really legendary for having a smooth operating bolt. Those old prewar M-S rifles were legendary in other ways, most famously as being the tool of choice for ivory hunter DWM "Karamojo" Bell. Not that later production was chopped liver, either. However, by the late '50s, scopes were become almost required hunting gear for many prospective buyers and the M-S' split rear receiver (like a Moisin Nagant or Carcano has) made putting on scope bases a hassle, so out with the old and in with a new design. Has an internal rotary magazine, much like the innards of a Ruger 10/22 magazine. 18" barrel: I was wearing plugs under muffs at the range, but I suspect the muzzle blast is stout. For lack of a better term, the stock is gorgeous; a lot of outfits make/have made Mannlicher stocked guns, but most don't seem to understand the need to subtly curve the forend's taper to make it graceful. Handles nice, too.

H&H is right about the double set trigger, on my rifle (as well as some muzzleloaders and single shots I've got) the front one is for firing in both unset (regular) or set (hair) modes. To set it requires a fair amount of effort on the rear trigger before it clicks into place. I actually did manage to remember that it's there while aiming and set it before taking the shot on one of last season's deer.

.303 is a good cartridge. I've had more than one over the years and there's still one in the safe right now. To be honest, a SMLE would do everything I would need as a hunting and general shooting at the range rifle. But. It's just that after messing around with buying, shooting maybe trading or selling some and squirrelling other guns away in the safe for 30+ years, I finally realized that I had a whole pile of plain-jane or moderately interesting guns, but had always wanted to play with some neat toys "someday". Finally realized that I'm not getting any younger and if someday was ever going to happen, there was a time limit... So, I've been thinning the herd and putting the proceeds into the sort of stuff I've always wished I could have. Plus, it's been a matter of keeping my eyes open. The rifle and carbine together cost me in the neighborhood of what many internet auctions have for a starting bid for ONE similar model. I've seen stores asking more than either cost for brand new Model 700 Remingtons.
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Re: Another one!

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:43 am

It just does not get any sweeter than that. That is a bueatitul peice. There is just someting about the manlicher style stock this is so right. Ah if we could only go back to the days of Bell and chase pachaderms on the dark continent to our hearts content...
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Re: Another one!

Postby Belgiboy on Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:52 am

Holland&Holland wrote:It just does not get any sweeter than that. That is a bueatitul peice. There is just someting about the manlicher style stock this is so right. Ah if we could only go back to the days of Bell and chase pachaderms on the dark continent to our hearts content...

I agree. My idea of a dreamhunt was always chasing elk in Wyoming or something similar but the way the prices of those hunts are skyrocketing... Safari hunts are actually becoming more economical so I may find myself in the dark continent, hopefully in this lifetime. I have the light rifle (.260 on the way), the medium (Browning BAR in 7mm Rem mag) so I would just need a .375 H&H and some malariapills....
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Re: Another one!

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:07 am

Belgiboy wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:It just does not get any sweeter than that. That is a bueatitul peice. There is just someting about the manlicher style stock this is so right. Ah if we could only go back to the days of Bell and chase pachaderms on the dark continent to our hearts content...

I agree. My idea of a dreamhunt was always chasing elk in Wyoming or something similar but the way the prices of those hunts are skyrocketing... Safari hunts are actually becoming more economical so I may find myself in the dark continent, hopefully in this lifetime. I have the light rifle (.260 on the way), the medium (Browning BAR in 7mm Rem mag) so I would just need a .375 H&H and some malariapills....


I hear you on that! :D
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