Airforce Condor SS legal in MN?

[Uffdaphil]

This .25 caliber pellet gun looks like a tasty unit. Anyone know the state restrictions? Could I have it mailed right to my door?

Be sure to watch the grand finale at the very end of video.
https://www.full30.com/video/14c6066ac1 ... 8263639874

[LarryP]

Video said NJ is the only state they can't ship to. A suppressed pellet gun? They're not loud to begin with

[jdege]

Video said NJ is the only state they can't ship to. A suppressed pellet gun? They're not loud to begin with

At 3000 psi, they're louder than you might think.

IIRC, the video says it is 114 dB unsuppressed, and 85 dB suppressed.

[xd ED]

Lot of money for a mediocre air rifle, + tank +refills... why not simply invest in a suppressor, or box of 'quiet' rounds for a .22?
Likely can't shoot an air gun anywhere you can't shoot a ,22 rimfire.

The guy in the video impresses me as being a douche bag.
And last time I checked(20+ yrs ago), air gun suppressors were viewed by the atf as NFA items

[hammAR]

Didn't know that you could suppress a Red Ryder.................

[Ghost]

[jdege]

Lot of money for a mediocre air rifle, + tank +refills... why not simply invest in a suppressor, or box of 'quiet' rounds for a .22?
Likely can't shoot an air gun anywhere you can't shoot a ,22 rimfire.

The guy in the video impresses me as being a douche bag.
And last time I checked(20+ yrs ago), air gun suppressors were viewed by the atf as NFA items

There are external task air rifles that will push a 230 grain .44 caliber bullet to >500 fps.

They're popular in places like South Korea where firearms are extremely restrictive.

http://www.topairgun.com/45-sam-yang-909s-air-rifle

[Rip Van Winkle]

All kind of cool toys.
http://www.pyramydair.com

[2in2out]

I like the NFA Review guy, but maybe that's because he's a firefighter IRL and I've spent a lot of time with guys just like him. I also like Ted's Holdover - that guy can really shoot.

It's difficult for me - yet tempting - to justify a decent air rifle when a firearm (even rimfire) has more power and is significantly cheaper. On the other hand, the Benjamin Discovery keeps calling my name for general plinking and pest control. TKO Airguns makes a NON-NFA moderator for it that I've heard good things about and can be ordered through the mail.

According to TKO's web site, a customer took some readings to compare their Crosman 2240 without anything and then two competitive moderators:
No moderator: 105.5-108.6 db (at the muzzle)
Wolf: 99.6 db
TKO: 98.3 db

Last summer, I parted ways with a Benjamin Trail NP that was integrally suppressed. You can buy these at Walmart, no tax stamp needed.

Uffdaphil - I'm not aware of any restrictions on air guns, and would expect to just order the Condor through the mail, just like any other air gun. That's how I got my Benjamin Trail (and how I will order the TKO moderator for the Discovery I will eventually buy).

[FJ540]

There's a 6" long 1.25" diameter single cavity extension pressed on and welded to the end of my spring air .177" Daisy Powerline 1000. No internal baffles at all. Since the velocity has been shown to peak at around 6" of barrel with these guns, I cut the barrel down prior to integrally suppressing it and the new chamber retains the length needed to easily cock the action and load it.

The spring hitting the end of it's travel (which is quite loud), and the impact of the pellet make more noise than the discharge. It wasn't the case prior to the redesign.

I pressed and welded the attachment for obvious reasons. It's welded shut too, so no one can add anything to it or use any parts of it with a firearm - this was done long before the change of law to allow civilian ownership of suppressors in MN.


Another point of note - air rifles under 500fps are legal in Fridley on private property, as long as you're not hunting (same goes with archery equipment).

[Bitter Bastard]

And last time I checked(20+ yrs ago), air gun suppressors were viewed by the atf as NFA items

In general, airgun silencers are not NFA if they are permanently attached to the airgun barrel, with no easy way to adapt it to firearm use. That's the reason airgun silencers are all integral and not screw-on cans like most real silencers. Obviously lots of nuances behind that thinking, but that's the gist of it.

A friend has one of the silenced pellet rifles you can buy at Fleet Farm or wherever. It's pretty quiet. Fun to shoot a certain distance, then accuracy drops of remarkably fast. I don't remember the exact distances, but at something like 15 yards, it was a 1" gun. At 20 yards, it was a 6" gun. Something like that anyway.

Bitter Bastard

[Uffdaphil]

While I still think the Condor is cool, I found a smoking deal on a NIB Scorpion Evo pistol with 8 mags that ate my funds. And I already have a can for that.

[FJ540]

High power air rifles have come a long way, that's for sure.

[xd ED]

And last time I checked(20+ yrs ago), air gun suppressors were viewed by the atf as NFA items

In general, airgun silencers are not NFA if they are permanently attached to the airgun barrel, with no easy way to adapt it to firearm use. That's the reason airgun silencers are all integral and not screw-on cans like most real silencers. Obviously lots of nuances behind that thinking, but that's the gist of it.

A friend has one of the silenced pellet rifles you can buy at Fleet Farm or wherever. It's pretty quiet. Fun to shoot a certain distance, then accuracy drops of remarkably fast. I don't remember the exact distances, but at something like 15 yards, it was a 1" gun. At 20 yards, it was a 6" gun. Something like that anyway.

Bitter Bastard

Yep.
I read up on the topic. I don't know if/ when the law changed, but I recall when I was far more into are rifles..late 80s- 90s,,, that airgun suppressors were the same as firearm suppressors in the eyes of the ATF. Now maybe I had that wrong, or the interpretation changed.

Used to have a lot of fun with air rifles.. picking off starlings and squirrels that were hectoring my nesting wood ducks.
My Weihrauch HW77 with the right pellets could drill a starlings head poking out of the nest box at 40-50 yards. 25-30 yrds for tree rats.
Back then I was comfortable shooting in my St Paul back yard without the SWAT team showing up... now, not so much.

[FJ540]

Back then I was comfortable shooting in my St Paul back yard without the SWAT team showing up... now, not so much.

After modifying my air rifle, I stopped using it as much here in the metro because all it would take is the wrong neighbor seeing it and holy hell would break loose. Now that cans are legal, it's probably less of an issue (no worries of ATF showing up), but I still don't make a habit of shooting it here.

My pellet trap was a piece of scrap 3/4" marine plywood with a box built behind it. Made a heck of a thwap! when the pellet hit. Been meaning to build a .22lr trap out of some thinner AR 500 Evan gave me, but just haven't made that happen yet.