14 dead, 50 wounded at Colorado Theater during Dark Knight

[Snakeman721]

Let me be really really clear about this - you do not have the right to second guess the actions of anyone in that theater that night. You are living out an adolescent machismo fantasy where you reacted better than someone WHO ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED SOMETHING - that you only learned about on television. I promise you - if you let this drop and walk away from the conversation, we'll think more of you than we will if you keep perpetuating the crap you've been posting.

Fine. You're right. I was not there. I can't speak for other people. Just opining on an observation and getting flamed for it. Carry on.

[bulletproof]

You thought it would take that long? They already have:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/48275691#48275691

Wow, I guess it's not surprising Michael Bloomberg would be the first to shoot off his mouth.

I wish I was as bad-ass as some of the MGT members in this thread the first time I faced an AK across a room. I would have saved a pair of underwear and been able to tell Heffay MUCH cooler stories when drunk up in Duluth.....

Did you really soil yourself? Most of the times I've had loaded barrels pointed in my direction my first and sometimes only reaction was to get the hell out of the line of fire. Then once everything is over I started to think of all the stupid things I should of done but didn't.

Let me be really really clear about this - you do not have the right to second guess the actions of anyone in that theater that night.

How about the shooter? That's true though, no reason to second guess or call into question the actions of some people trying to just survive. Especially if they didn't harm anyone doing so.

[supply4demand]

Lets not forget that tear gas was used 2 bottles from what witnesses have said. Im surprised to find that military grade gas can be sold so easily to anyone 21 with a credit card. Which left most people close to the killer defenseless and then he walked the stairs shooting at people. He had to have practiced reloading and shooting, people where screwed as soon as that theather filled up. He didn't plan on dieing he planned on killing as many as he could its just horrible to think about being in that situation. He knew police were at the theather and seen who the victoms were even the baby he shot point blank. The people who helped women and children get down and get out did the right thing they saved who ever they could.

[goalie]

Yes, I have seen AR/AK fire. And yes, some guns fling brass 20 feet away, but some just 3-4 feet away. And yes, maybe there were a few rows of seats between the victim and the shooter, I don't know. All I'm saying is that if someone was close enough, say 5-10 feet, and had a clear shot with no seats to hurdle, say like at the end of an aisle, why didn't they take him down. Yes, I know I'm just speculating, but the fact that no one even tried to take this guy down is disturbing to me. Are we turning into a country of sheeple that fast? Like I said, I wasn't there and am just speculating, but from some survivor reports, it sounds like the shooter was damn near standing on top of them. Then there's the reports of the shooter pausing to reload?? or clear a jam??...which would explain how so many had the opportunity to escape the theater.

It sounds like the guy did a NY reload with long guns.

You, sir, are an idiot. Only a complete ******* or an idiot would be second guessing them, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[goalie]

Did you really soil yourself? Most of the times I've had loaded barrels pointed in my direction my first and sometimes only reaction was to get the hell out of the line of fire. Then once everything is over I started to think of all the stupid things I should of done but didn't.

Nah, it was just a little dribble, no **** (literally). I lucked out and had the foresight to surround myself with people who remembered how to use a safety, or, more likely, just didn't use the damn thing. They say the loudest noise in the world is a click when you want to hear a bang. I think the silence of nothing is almost as loud as the click.

Anyhow, still have the pants. Cut them off into shorts 20 years ago. Most of the blood came out.

It didn't happen again, and I saw worse. There's no way in hell I would ever second guess someone in a dark theater confronted with CS gas and an assailant armed with multiple long-arms and fully armored.

[Heffay]

It didn't happen again, and I saw worse.

I've seen you in spandex. I'm just sayin'....

[photogpat]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask about the "fully armored" part of this. Everything I've seen indicated he bought a Blackhawk tac vest (not a plate carrier)...knee pads, gloves, etc...is this simply a case of the media not understanding the difference between a vest and actual ballistic armor?

I've seen referenced in several news outlets the Blackhawk "Urban Assault Vest": http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Urban- ... 275,86.htm -- it has then subsequently been referred to as "ballistic vest", "bulletproof vest", and "ballistic armor", when in fact it is nothing other than a glorified photographer's vest with a bunch of pouches.

[goalie]

It didn't happen again, and I saw worse.

I've seen you in spandex. I'm just sayin'....

I was referring to you in spandex when I said I saw worse.

[tazdevil]

It didn't happen again, and I saw worse.

I've seen you in spandex. I'm just sayin'....

I was referring to you in spandex when I said I saw worse.

To see either one of you in spandex: The visual of imagining that while i was eating breakfast: Insert multiple puking emoticons here.

[MadTalon]

Well it would make people realize they can't sell guns to just anyone and badguys will have to work harder to get their weapons..


Its not like what I stated is completely dumb. Every single member on here probably would like to see a ptp to sell someone a firearm.What I am suggesting is just an extension as that. Will it solve all the issues including what Holmes did?

Nope.. but its better then doing nothing..


This idea isn't as dumb as the 1994 assault weapons and clip ban.. That was passed by our govt and clearly was a dumber idea then this.

Doing something to attempt to ease a situation is still better then nothing at all.. Clearly my stance is still better then the misguided anti gun people. Who are probably doing more or attempting to do more then us

All gun-control laws are dumb, the only person following laws are the "law abiding" I know it has been said already but maybe a few more times will make it sink in. Jesse Ventura said it best: if Jesse and 5 other highly trained seals took arms in strategic locations it would devastate the country, how do you protect from that? Not with gun-control laws. I think we should have one gun-control law and that would be that by age 10 all citizens should be required to be proficient in both firearms and first-aid I would vote for that think about it, if half of the stray bullets went where intended then innocent lives wouldn't be lost as often not to be harsh but it's just common sense education is everything. There will always be nut jobs you will not be able to catch them all no matter how strict the fake-safe laws are period.This is my opinion just like a$$ holes everyone has one.

[JeremiahMN]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Seems logical on it's face, but where's the line in the sand? Do we let people have fully automatic weapons? Do we let them have rocket launchers? Do we let them have biological weapons? Or make their own bombs? None of those things kill people, just the people that use them.

I'm not at all in favor of a gun registry, or not being able to have more than 10 rounds in my pistols, etc... however I think that most logical people would agree that there has to be a line in the sand somewhere. Where that line is, who am I to say, but when pro-gun folks always use the same "guns don't kill people" line after one of these tragedies it sounds ignorant and turns independents on the issue toward the anti-gunners side of thinking.

[Pinnacle]

Cinemark, of course, does not allow firearms in their theaters.

And I see how well that worked out for them - but

This is a horrible, horrible thing that was not preventable - and I am sitting here gnashing my teeth - let's be clear here:

THE BODIES OF THE VICTIMS ARE NOT EVEN IN THE GROUND YET AND THE RHETORIC HAS BEGUN - FROM BOTH SIDES.

This is not a 2A issue - this is a mental health issue. I love the people that say "There should be a law" - well Scooter - there are laws and the last time that I checked Harming another was a crime and there are several laws regarding that issue - seems to me that doesn't work.

It's not about the gun - it's not about if there were someone in the theatre with a pistol things would have been different - BS This guy was armed for bear - he was determined, he was capable, he was immediately on the offensive.

I am so sick of people saying "If there were an armed citizen there...." B as in B; S as in S. Now is just not the time for I told you so, second guessing or anything of the sort.

I am disgusted by this whole thing from both sides and no matter how much I hate to say it - the President has been well, actually presidential with this matter for now. This is not the time to make political hay on either side.

I am ashamed of anyone discussing this as a political issue and not a human tragedy.

[Hobotorium]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask about the "fully armored" part of this. Everything I've seen indicated he bought a Blackhawk tac vest (not a plate carrier)...knee pads, gloves, etc...is this simply a case of the media not understanding the difference between a vest and actual ballistic armor?

I've seen referenced in several news outlets the Blackhawk "Urban Assault Vest": http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Urban- ... 275,86.htm -- it has then subsequently been referred to as "ballistic vest", "bulletproof vest", and "ballistic armor", when in fact it is nothing other than a glorified photographer's vest with a bunch of pouches.

On the thread on AR15 they had pictures of the scene where the shooter had stripped down all his gear from when the cops were taking pictures for their investigation, he had an actual vest although it looked like a concealable one to me. He legitimately had ballistic armor.

[Dante]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask about the "fully armored" part of this. Everything I've seen indicated he bought a Blackhawk tac vest (not a plate carrier)...knee pads, gloves, etc...is this simply a case of the media not understanding the difference between a vest and actual ballistic armor?

I've seen referenced in several news outlets the Blackhawk "Urban Assault Vest": http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Urban- ... 275,86.htm -- it has then subsequently been referred to as "ballistic vest", "bulletproof vest", and "ballistic armor", when in fact it is nothing other than a glorified photographer's vest with a bunch of pouches.

On the thread on AR15 they had pictures of the scene where the shooter had stripped down all his gear from when the cops were taking pictures for their investigation, he had an actual vest although it looked like a concealable one to me. He legitimately had ballistic armor.

Link?

[goaliemn]

I'm not at all in favor of a gun registry, or not being able to have more than 10 rounds in my pistols, etc... however I think that most logical people would agree that there has to be a line in the sand somewhere. Where that line is, who am I to say, but when pro-gun folks always use the same "guns don't kill people" line after one of these tragedies it sounds ignorant and turns independents on the issue toward the anti-gunners side of thinking.

The "line" you speak of already exists.. its difficult to own machine guns, and nearly impossible to own a rocket launcher.. the problem is that line keep creeping closer and closer towards what many of us own, and very few of us have committed any crimes with our guns that line is getting close to. You give them an inch, they want to take a mile.