Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby chunkstyle on Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:16 pm

The real answer is nuclear. 4 ounces of thorium or uranium (about a 1" diameter ball bearing) is enough for all the energy one typical American needs in a lifetime. These are not rare metals, 4 ounces could be found in 10 tons of ordinary rock. Or 30,000 cubic yards of seawater. A single mine in Idaho has enough high quality ore for the whole US's energy needs for a century.

The tech needed has been known since the 60's.

Government regulation is the only thing keeping working breeder reactors from being built.
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby Heffay on Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:20 pm

Greenpeace has stated that the biggest strategic error they made is opposing nuclear power. But yeah... it's not so good for transportation purposes. No matter how many nuke plants they built in the 50s and 60s, the Tesla wouldn't have been invented in the 70s.
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby bensdad on Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:54 pm

Heffay wrote:Greenpeace has stated that the biggest strategic error they made is opposing nuclear power. But yeah... it's not so good for transportation purposes. No matter how many nuke plants they built in the 50s and 60s, the Tesla wouldn't have been invented in the 70s.


Couldn't nuke be used to shift power use over from one source to another? Nuke for electric to heat buildings, create propane vehicles?
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby Heffay on Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:00 pm

bensdad wrote:
Heffay wrote:Greenpeace has stated that the biggest strategic error they made is opposing nuclear power. But yeah... it's not so good for transportation purposes. No matter how many nuke plants they built in the 50s and 60s, the Tesla wouldn't have been invented in the 70s.


Couldn't nuke be used to shift power use over from one source to another? Nuke for electric to heat buildings, create propane vehicles?


Heating easily. Gasoline and diesel just pack so much energy in a convenient to handle package that it's tough to find something that is equivalent. There are natural gas vehicles out there that work fine, but CNG has its own issues. The Chevy Volt is really going to be the model going forward, or if you have some sort of aversion to saying anything green or from GM is good, think diesel subs. Battery power, with gas/diesel engines to extend range.

If we had the nuke infrastructure we could have had by not getting sidetracked by "nukes are bad herpa-derpa" talk, we'd be that much further ahead of the game. Of course, we still have to wait for battery/electrical technology to catch up to where the internal combustion engine is today, but... yeah. There are many roads to get there and off of fossil fuels. And when we do, it'll help our national security posture TONS.
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby WWJD on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:03 am

Electric cars.....what a quaint idea!

Just irks me that its a "cart before the horse"

If the infrastructure was there, ie the power grid, an electric car in every garage would be utopia.
Till then we are **** out of luck!! IMHO
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby Heffay on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:22 am

WWJD wrote:Electric cars.....what a quaint idea!

Just irks me that its a "cart before the horse"

If the infrastructure was there, ie the power grid, an electric car in every garage would be utopia.
Till then we are **** out of luck!! IMHO


I'm pretty sure electricity is run to pretty much every corner of America. But that's beside the point. The solution is multi-faceted. Drive trains like the Volt are perfect stepping stones to the infrastructure you are talking about, and a good way to get off our dependence on foreign oil while maintaining our own reserves. Yes, it will take decades to be able to go full electric, but that doesn't mean we don't take the first steps today. People who want to buy one (and driving habits support it) can. And it will lower the costs for everyone else later.

So don't buy an electric car if it doesn't suit you. But that doesn't mean electric cars are bad ideas. It just means it's a bad idea for you.
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby ttousi on Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:34 pm

trash talk sent to purgatory
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby jweiss on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:43 pm

chunkstyle wrote:The real answer is nuclear. 4 ounces of thorium or uranium (about a 1" diameter ball bearing) is enough for all the energy one typical American needs in a lifetime. These are not rare metals, 4 ounces could be found in 10 tons of ordinary rock. Or 30,000 cubic yards of seawater. A single mine in Idaho has enough high quality ore for the whole US's energy needs for a century.

The tech needed has been known since the 60's.

Government regulation is the only thing keeping working breeder reactors from being built.

yes but the us is selling a uranium mine in Wy to the russians (NRC approves sale) so were going to be short on uranium.
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby autobahn on Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:48 pm

ttousi wrote:trash talk sent to purgatory


asking someone if they can't tell something is an editorial piece is trash talk?
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby autobahn on Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:49 pm

I'll repeat again:

The daily fail puts editorial content in with its news.

This is editorial content. It's also almost entirely wrong.
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Re: Global warming is Halted, but it's hotter where you're going

Postby ttousi on Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:03 pm

That's now how you phrased it the first time. The original and resulting quotes were removed.
Please don't press your luck.

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