Frontsight Training

[gyrfalcon]

I bought some of the cheaper deals on handgun/rifle courses in the hope I could take them and it would be a good deal...

Then I get an email about signing up for "Diamond Membership" or something like that so I can take any course offered as many times as I want free for 2k. I'm starting to get a big ponzi/pyramid vibe on these folks. Anyone who's been there have opinions they would like to share? I've found and knew a lot of bad/good things about frontsight since it started. I'm kinda wondering if anyone knows where they're at right now financially.

I'm also completely confused why they claim they're selling these lifetime memberships because people have "foreclosed" on them. If they're lifetime it doesn't seem like you could default on them unless you were paying for them monthly.

[Pinnacle]

These memberships are from people that bought them for well, a lot of cash and have sold them back at a loss and FS feels that they can take my Diamond First Family Membership and sell it for pennies on the dollae compared to the original sticker price....

You would have to be out of your mind.

[selurcspi]

You can buy these memberships on one of several payment plans or a single payment purchase. Some people who have bought on the plan couldn’t pay their monthly payments and just like a house, the memberships were repo-ed.
When you buy one of these repo-ed memberships, you get just the membership and all the classes it covers, what you don't get are the incentive toys that were given with the original membership. Some had Xds, some had ARs plus books clothing, knives etc.
Yes, selling these memberships is a hook and personally I think it cheapens the membership value for those of us who bought ours earlier, but it's great value for you if you buy one and the training is first class, even if the marketing is somewhat hokey.
Like Pinnacle said, I'm not giving my membership up unless I can get a better one for little or no more money.

We're going back again for the third time and already planning the fourth for next year.

[mmcnx2]

These Front Sight memberships are like the time share deals. People overpaid a ton for something that was hyped to the hilt. Now the real value is being viewed and people are dumping. So it is a buyers market. However in this case Front Sight also has a pretty flakely history when you look at it, so buyer beware.

[Pinnacle]

These Front Sight memberships are like the time share deals. People overpaid a ton for something that was hyped to the hilt. Now the real value is being viewed and people are dumping. So it is a buyers market. However in this case Front Sight also has a pretty flakely history when you look at it, so buyer beware.

There is no doubt that there were some issues there in the past. I have had dealings with them that were just fine and others that were not so fine - in the end it all worked out.

Front Sight was a concept that a lot of people bought into as a COMMUNITY that never happened. There are a lot of issues with that - but the thing is this - the training methodology out there is really hard to argue with.

You try it their way and well, you almost have no choice but to be a better shooter....

Hoky past yes, good training for what it is... Certainly

Go for the training - take it for what it is - leave the fantasy of the Front Sight Myth Home....

[selurcspi]

Go for the training - take it for what it is - leave the fantasy of the Front Sight Myth Home....

Well said Pinnacle!
Every detractor I've heard has never been there and EVERYONE I've talked to who's been there has nothing but good to say about the place.
I guess we have to let the ignorant be ignorant and the wise be wise!

[mitchx3]

Go for the training - take it for what it is - leave the fantasy of the Front Sight Myth Home....

Well said Pinnacle!
Every detractor I've heard has never been there and EVERYONE I've talked to who's been there has nothing but good to say about the place.
I guess we have to let the ignorant be ignorant and the wise be wise!

One could say the same of cult membership.

[selurcspi]

Go for the training - take it for what it is - leave the fantasy of the Front Sight Myth Home....

Well said Pinnacle!
Every detractor I've heard has never been there and EVERYONE I've talked to who's been there has nothing but good to say about the place.
I guess we have to let the ignorant be ignorant and the wise be wise!

One could say the same of cult membership.

You still have no firsthand knowledge to base your rhetoric on, so you attempt a deflection.

Try one of these cheap classes and then make an informed observation!

You never know, you might enjoy yourself, and anyway, what's better than 800 rounds of trigger time

[Stradawhovious]

and anyway, what's better than 800 rounds of trigger time

Not giving money to "Dr." ingnoramus pizza.



You're right. I don't have any first hand knowledge of his classes. What I DO have, in spades, is knowledge of him personally through an interaction via email regarding his marketing to harassment of me. Never before or since my encounter with him have I had the misfortune of dealing with such an egotistical insulting jackass. His class could teach me to kill terrorists blindfolded with a melonballer, or **** gold nuggets and I still wouldn't take them.

I'm sure you will learn a lot. Enjoy the class.

[Jon M. Abel]

The name alone implies something you don't always need is some thing you always need? Apply deviation control as needed in the circumstances under which we shoot. Train in probable and plausible situations not POSSIBLE. What is the chance of any of us having to clear a house? Who in their right mind would do it if they did not have too? Fun maybe, realistic and frequent?

[gyrfalcon]

The name alone implies something you don't always need is some thing you always need? Apply deviation control as needed in the circumstances under which we shoot. Train in probable and plausible situations not POSSIBLE. What is the chance of any of us having to clear a house? Who in their right mind would do it if they did not have too? Fun maybe, realistic and frequent?

I clear my house all the time... but instead of shooting people I'm searching for sneaky cats.

[Bulldawg]

I clear my house all the time... but instead of shooting people I'm searching for sneaky cats.

I've been known to clear a room or two on Taco night.

[Jon M. Abel]

Friday's are awsome

[Bessy]

The name alone implies something you don't always need is some thing you always need? Apply deviation control as needed in the circumstances under which we shoot. Train in probable and plausible situations not POSSIBLE. What is the chance of any of us having to clear a house? Who in their right mind would do it if they did not have too? Fun maybe, realistic and frequent?

Jon, I clear my house at least times a week for practice... using night vision goggles, and flash bangs... blind folded... with an m60.... on a rocket powered tactical unicycle.

[Jon M. Abel]

Oh, I forgot about YOU!