Why I have become such a handloading PITA.

[Seismic Sam]

To begin with, I think most of you realize that the freedoms in America are in more danger today than at any time since World War II, and right now the Obama administration is involved in a full-press effort to Socialize the American Health Care system. This will take away our free choice in this matter, and far worse, deliberately create a system which will ration out healthcare without regard to need or the immediacy of the care required. The net effect of healthcare rationing, as we have seen in Both Britian and Canada, is to essentially institutionalize euthanasia for the eldery, weak, and infirm in America. In England, after age 55, you no longer qualify for dialysis or hip replacements, and for a lot of people with liver problems, that's a straight up death sentence that helps to keep public healthcare expenditures down. MRI's and a lot of other procedures in Canada take 6 months from time of scheduling to actual diagnosis (much less treatment!), and if you don't live that long, tough luck!! Add to that the discussions about providing "end of life counseling" by this administration, and you can just about smell the Zyklon B at the far end of this tunnel.

So what has this got to do with handloading? It's a known fact that Obama is staunchly anti-gun, and the only reason he hasn't come down on us yet and tried to disarm the entire country is that we're further down on the list. However, it's inevitable that our time will come, and when it does I doubt we can expect any quarter at all from a person who has already institutionalized euthanasia for some of the citizens of this country. And so the question is, what will happen when the push finally comes for us to give up our guns once and for all?? The answer, of course, is the same one that has existed in this country since 1775, and that's armed insurrection, which is described and proscribed in no less a document than The Declaration of Independence. If or when that time comes, we have already seen how easy it is to limit such an uprising by simply cutting off the supply of loaded ammunition to the general public. When your ammo supply runs dry, you're done, period.

Handloading, however, is a far more tenuous and elusive thing to control (at least for now, and that the whole point of this rant), and people who have stockpiled enough materials to load thousands or tens of thousands of rounds of ammo could keep up an effective resistance for a very long time. While the existence of reloading probably wasn't on many people's radar screen up until now, I think the hue and cry of the primer shortage has certainly made this fact apparent to anybody who was paying attention, and it also highlights how you could cut off a supply of primers or powder that would pretty much shut everything down.

But to get from where we are now to that point in time, there were have to be a rationale established as to why these items should be restricted or prohibited, which at first might involve ATF licenses or prohibitive safety requirements that would shut all of us independent handloading citizens down. Gee, what would be a compelling argument that Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer could run with?? How about the greatest of all stalking horses, Public Safety??

And here's where the the real rub comes in with newbie handloaders coming within a hair's breadth of blowing their own asses off. I'm sure there are some handloading deaths each year, and from what I have seen lately there will be more in the future rather than less. While the internet is a tremendous resource, we have just seen a prime example of what blindly picking a load off the net and running with it can accomplish, and this person was incredibly lucky. So a few newbies die, why should I care?? The reason is this: Any statistically measurable pattern of deaths from handloading is REAL evidence (as opposed to made up, Democratic B.S. evidence) that some fraction of the American public is not smart or careful enough to participate in this activity. And there you have it, in a nice, neat package. If people start blowing themselves up, then handloading HAS to be regulated by the Federal Government for the safety of the greater public.

If this happens, the ability of the American public to resist a Socalist tryanny by force of arms will be severly crippled, and as I have said above, handloading will be the last bastion of armed resistance in this country. I am too old to die young, and with my health issues I may not be able to last very long in the Brave New World of Obamanation, so yes, I would prefer to go out firing rather than rot in a Government run nursing home.

So: when you newbs screw up, it reflects on ALL of us, AND the freedom to handload to begin with, and yes, I have a right to be pissed about that. I have handlaoded for 37 years now with never a squib or a kaboom of any kind, and you little kids are coming in and ******* in my sandbox, and worse yet, giving the enemy the horror stories they need to eridicate handloading and the 2nd Amendment standing behind it.

[macphisto]

I think I can speak for all of us when I say your wisdom and advice on handloading are very much appreciated, even if you happen to be in the middle of tearing somebody a new one for being a bonehead.

[Stradawhovious]

I think I can speak for all of us when I say your wisdom and advice on handloading are very much appreciated, even if you happen to be in the middle of tearing somebody a new one for being a bonehead.

Sure beats the hell outta the infamous ET rants............

[Seismic Sam]

Thank you, but I think going to the OC Picnic this Sunday and also continuing to watch videos of some of these town meetings really has me worried.

I absolutely cannot recall anything even remotely similar to the proceedings of these town meetings during the Vietnam years. That started off small, absolutely miniscule compared to Iraq, and gradually grew into a full fledged clusterphuck, but even then people were divided about the issue, with the young generally calling Johnson and then Nixon a murderer and crook (and "us young people" were dead right about Nixon, thank you very much!!), and the older people defending America. The administration was also split to some degree, as evidenced by McNamara's actions, and even Johnson's refusal to run for another term.

Here we have an almost totalitarian Democratic regieme that is doing all sorts of shyte, and both young and old are screaming NO! NO!! NO!! at these town hall meetings, and it seems like it's having no more effect that spitting on the train tracks and expecting the train to stop. The Socialist Einsatzgruppen of Obama's Presidency continues to grind forward like some inhuman machine, with the agenda of letting American citizens die as a side effect of their Socialist agenda.

The Johnson Presidency was nothing like this, and Jimmy Carter was just a good old boy who couldn't cut the mustard and make hard decisions, and all Bill Clinton ever wanted was a good blow job. This healthcare thing makes the assault weapons ban look like a fart in a hurricane, and if Obama can muscle this thing through despite the overwhelming protest of the American people, then freedom in this country will no longer be anything close to the same thing again.
If we get to that point, having a backup means of making ammo is going to be our last hope to ever get out of this mess, and our chances will not be good.

[hammAR]

If this happens, the ability of the American public to resist a Socalist tryanny by force of arms will be severly crippled, and as I have said above, handloading will be the last bastion of armed resistance in this country. I am too old to die young, and with my health issues I may not be able to last very long in the Brave New World of Obamanation, so yes, I would prefer to go out firing rather than rot in a Government run nursing home.

You senile crazy old pfart......American public and armed resistance in the same sentence.......
just exactly how many of those young-gun, keyboard commando, sheepdog pin wearing, pantie wastes do you think even understand what you are talking about.......
let alone how many are going to be standing with you in armed resistance when the SHTF for real......
you are going to be all by your lonesome.......hope Sasha likes aged meat.......Cheers Brother......

[justaguy]

I'm sure there are some handloading deaths each year, and from what I have seen lately there will be more in the future rather than less. While the internet is a tremendous resource, we have just seen a prime example of what blindly picking a load off the net and running with it can accomplish, and this person was incredibly lucky.

Can anyone actually find proof that someone has been killed from a round blowing up in the chamber? Not saying it isn't serious business. It is, but I haven't seen a actual case of death.

I also thank you for the information you share on this forum. However, they are going to take our rights regardless of what we do. The outcome will be the same. The blame lies with the tyrants not the people here. Blaming "us" for what "they" do will only create infighting amongst the people that are on your side, which will only benefit "them".

[1911fan]

In a small bit of thread drift. Yes, Justa, I arrived at a range just after someone had managed to shear the locking lug off a Krag and had driving the bolt back into his skull. He was DRT.


Sam. I agree with you completely.

[Ramoel]

I started handloading in 1960 with the old nutcracker tool. Loads in the manuals were much hotter than those listed today. I never blew up a gun or even came close. I did manage to make some squibs though. They were .45 auto rim loaded with hand cast bullets that I lubed with wheel bearing grease.

The loads worked fine at the time but I put a box aside that managed to get lost in the back of my loading cabinet. I found them about 25 years later and took them to the range. About every third round was a squib so I took the unfired ones home again and pulled the bullets. That old wheel bearing grease had worked its way into the powder and made it into something that looked like sludge. The primers still worked fine but the powder wouldn't burn.

In all the years I've been loading, those were the only ones I ever made that didn't fire.

For my heavy hunting loads I weigh every single charge, no exceptions.

Sam, Elmer Keith, in his books said pretty much the same things you said. Basically that handloading is dangerous and it didn't take much of an over load to blow up a handgun. It wasn't a hobby for those that were careless.

[Pat]

The Congress is too smart to do something really evil before next year's mid term elections. After that, watch out. Then Nancy P. and crew will start pushing for another assault weapons ban, etc. That basically means we have a little over of a year before the left shoe drops.

[Rogelk]

I hope DeanC doesn't read the original post, sounds like 'Bachmann- Palin Overdrive' to me.

[Seismic Sam]

If this happens, the ability of the American public to resist a Socalist tryanny by force of arms will be severly crippled, and as I have said above, handloading will be the last bastion of armed resistance in this country. I am too old to die young, and with my health issues I may not be able to last very long in the Brave New World of Obamanation, so yes, I would prefer to go out firing rather than rot in a Government run nursing home.

You senile crazy old pfart......American public and armed resistance in the same sentence.......
just exactly how many of those young-gun, keyboard commando, sheepdog pin wearing, pantie wastes do you think even understand what you are talking about.......
Screw the demographics - we got all the Gulf War vets, and all the current deployed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, and then we got a SHYTELOAD of Vietnam vets who are ALL too old to die young, and the ones with Agent Orange problems are going to be virtually unstoppable because they WANT to die for REAL freedom, and every civilian nut job in a Western Red state.
let alone how many are going to be standing with you in armed resistance when the SHTF for real......
I don't want anybody near me who will screw up my concentration or field of fire, so that's irrelevant
you are going to be all by your lonesome.......
Just like I have been my whole EFFEN life, and BTW, my property is a 3D labrythinthe with 100% tree cover that Sat IR can't get through, and if the .338 don't do you, the .308 AR-10 may, and you will NOT get past the 50AE rounds
hope Sasha likes aged meat.......Cheers Brother......
And as I have seen with my own eyes, the nearness of death brings a calmness that will probably increase my effective range with the .338 to nearly a mile - See you in hell, HammAR

[Seismic Sam]

However, they are going to take our rights away regardless of what we do.

WRONG!! If black people were allergic to watermenlons, then white racists couldn't have made up that particular myth about them. Documented cases of deaths due to dipshyte handloading are no different than documented cases of DUI convictions of MN permit holders. They are PERFECT grist for the Democratic lie to justify their actions.
The outcome will be the same. The blame lies with the tyrants not the people here. Blaming "us" for what "they" do will only create infighting amongst the people that are on your side, which will only benefit "them".

[hammAR]

............see ya there...

[justaguy]

WRONG!! If black people were allergic to watermenlons, then white racists couldn't have made up that particular myth about them.

Ummm...yeah......sure...

[GregM]

As the newbie bonehead who got Sam going on this tirade, I feel compelled to say a few words in my own defense.

Unfortunately, I can't think of any.

So I will just take my lumps and the excellent advice that I have received and work to become a responsible and trustworthy handloader.

Oh ... by the way, Sam: It was my HEAD that I almost blew off, not my ass.